Elgato HD60 Pro VS. AVerMedia Live Gamer HD 2 – PCIe 1080p60 Capture Card Showdown!

AVerMedia finally decided to put up a fight
against Elgato again by releasing their Live Gamer HD 2 – a PCIe 1080p 60FPS capture card
akin to the HD60 Pro. But was this release a year too late? In this video I’ll be answering a question
I’ve been asked quite a few times – which is better? The Elgato HD60 Pro or the Live Gamer HD 2? For those of you without much time – just
get whichever is least expensive for you. For those wanting the details, stick around. TunnelBear is the fast and easy VPN service
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more via the link in the video description. I’m EposVox, here to make tech easier and
more fun, today comparing Elgato’s HD60 Pro capture card to AVerMedia’s Live Gamer
HD 2. Both currently sit around the 200 dollar price
point and offer similar features. But is one better than the other? I had a brief time to pop both into my main
machine and daisy-chain them together for quality testing and find out. Due to age alone, as the HD60 Pro released
in April 2016 and the HD 2 released earlier this year, Elgato’s card seems to go on
sale for a better deal than AVerMedia’s – usually around $160 or so for the HD60 Pro. Plus there’s naturally going to be a bigger
used market, too. Just worth noting. Feature-wise, the cards are almost identical. They’re both PCIe 1X internal capture cards
that accept a 1080p 60hz HDMI signal and feature HDMI passthrough. Both cards have very low latency to the computer,
and offer 60 megabits per second compressed video via their respective native applications,
and a separate, uncompressed video feet out to third-party programs like OBS Studio. The HD60 Pro is much smaller than the Live
Gamer HD 2, however, and even comes with a low-profile bracket for small form factor
capture or streaming rigs. The Live Gamer HD 2 is quite a bit fatter,
but features 3.5 mm analog line in and out capabilities – for routing a mixer, controller
and headset line, or so on through. On one hand, it is strange that Elgato didn’t
include this feature since their USB cards usually offer it. But on the other hand, the feature rarely
works out well, is super prone to ground loop or interference issues, and overall is just
a headache to mess with. Plus, in AVerMedia’s RECentral software,
you can’t capture both HDMI and analog audio at the same time – only one or the other. The Live Gamer HD 2 also features a LED-backlit
logo, whereas Elgato’s is just painted on. But you can’t change the LED color, so keep
that in mind for your e-peen needs. Software-wise, they’re pretty similar, too. I’ve had a bigger history of issues with
Elgato’s Game Capture app, but that’s mainly because I’ve put in way more time
with it. They both let you change some basic settings,
select audio devices, record multi-track live commentary, change the resolution and bitrate
up to 60 megabits per second, record and take screenshots. Elgato’s app features flashback recording,
which allows you to keep an active video buffer going to then go back and record things that
you didn’t initially hit record for. This is a life-saving feature, in my opinion. Both programs feature some live streaming
capabilities – though AVerMedia’s is a brand new implementation that likely needs work. AVerMedia’s RECentral takes a few seconds
to actually “kick in” “recording mode” for some reason, which can be an annoyance
and potentially cause missed clips. What about actual image quality? Admittedly, I had a preconceived notion in
my head – that the HD60 would look better IF they looked different at all, with the
primary assumption being that they wouldn’t look any different. I was quite surprised to discover in my testing
that the AVerMedia Live Gamer HD 2 is actually ever-so-slightly sharper than the HD60 Pro. Now, running some gameplay side-by-side, you’d
never honestly tell a difference. But when you pixel-peep in to like 500% on
my 4K monitor, you can see specific little texture bits where the HD60 Pro is a little
more muddy or mushed together than the Live Gamer HD 2. This was interesting, and I thought might
have to do with the fact that I had RECentral set to use the Nvidia Nvenc hardware encoder,
whereas the HD60 Pro was using its internal H264 encoder. So I popped Wipeout back in, set RECentral
to H264 and compared again – nope, via their 60 megabits per second compressed engines,
the Live Gamer HD 2 is actually a bit sharper than the HD60 Pro. But again, these are tiny little details that
you’d honestly never really know the difference between in the final YouTube-compressed upload. And I used some HD60 Pro footage in my Destiny
at 8K video – clearly it’s sharp enough, right? Well that video was recorded in OBS Studio,
where both cards provide an uncompressed feed to the software. Here, I fail to see any true quality difference
between the cards. The HD60 Pro has a tiny bit more contrast,
but that can be adjusted for. Sharpness-wise, they look exactly the same. I couldn’t keep OBS from crashing long enough
to get too much capture footage, but what I did get showed the exact same results. So it’s less of a difference in the hardware
itself and more just the encoding engine used in their native apps. So which should you buy – an AVerMedia Live
Gamer HD 2 or the Elgato HD60 Pro? Honestly, circling back to the opening of
the video, whichever is cheapest for you. Unless you truly just need that analog input
directly on the capture card and know how to make use of it properly, it doesn’t make
a difference. If you want to build a tiny, low-profile capture
rig, the HD60 is required. If you want more flashy e-peen LED goodness,
get the Live Gamer HD 2. Either way, just have fun and play some video
games, yeah? Plus, we’re about to enter the scene of
4K capture cards within the next year or so, so that will be fun. I hope you enjoyed this video or found it
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68 thoughts on “Elgato HD60 Pro VS. AVerMedia Live Gamer HD 2 – PCIe 1080p60 Capture Card Showdown!

  1. My hd60 broke down and elgato costumer support was horrible so I bought the avermedia. So far I am happy with it, but I would rather have a card with two inputs or 4K.

  2. Hey EposVox I have a question about the Elgato HD 60 pro. With the multi track recording would I be able to separate the game audio, my mic audio, and my friends audio from team speak? Im asking on this video cause I'm more likely to get a response here lol.

  3. I was wondering if there would be an difference between using a Qudro p 400 gpu or a gtx 1030 for encoding game play

  4. I own both of these and for me I prefer AVerMedia Live Gamer HD 2 because it just works right out the box with OBS no of this No Signal shit or One moment please screen and then never shows up than with ALGH2 if your PC or console is hoked up shows up right away because of the no drives or software 🙂

  5. A) i'd love to see a video on how to make use of an analog audio input for both cards and (B) what are your settings for capture, cuz both those look beautiful!

  6. I have a Ryzen 1700x and had issues with Elgato so I switched to Live Gamer HD 2 and works great. I'm not the only one who had that issue. I say if you are getting on that Ryzen hype train get the AVerMedia.

  7. Is there any benefit of using a capture card for Pc recording.
    Is it just better compression, at a better quality? Also what's the performance difference like compared to just using OBS?

  8. I think it would have been great if you had also done a review on how they work for streaming, I used to own an elgato HD60S when I used obs for recording or streaming the voice audio was always out of sync, using their software was fine. This made me very reluctant to upgrade to the pro. So after seeing your Avermedia live gamer HD2 review I bought that instead and never had any audio sync issues with streaming or recording it just simply works.

  9. I do own an HD2 and I can tell you guys they still need to improve a lot of shit and one of them is the black screen you get if you running your main monitor over 60hz, also if your desktop res is like 1080 and the game you playing/streaming has a different res you will encounter the same issue… (yes I did try doing the firmware upgrade..)
    What I do to go around this? Simple, just extend and re-clone my main and secondary monitor(capture card hd2) to make it work.. If the game that you streaming does have an in-game Hertz option switch it to 60hz apply the change then switch back to your preferred refresh rate… example GTAV is capable of so..

    Sry if I don't explain this very well, but let me know if you guys want me to make a video about it on my stream 🙂

    +EposVox thanks for all the info and for the amazing video!

  10. I was thinking about upgrading to the Elgato HD 60 Pro after upgrading my CPU when I get the chance so thanks for this broski!

  11. When you say daisy chain, do you mean you took the HDMI passthrough of one and put in into the HDMI in of the other? Or did you use a splitter? Or record it twice?

  12. i have AVerMedia Live Gamer HD and i ran into sound issues on their program and support is in Taiwan and they never did help fix the issue so i just used obs studio for walkthroughs

  13. Do you know if this card supports 640×480? I cannot capture Dreamcast via the HD60 Pro, which is very frustrating.

  14. I was wanting one of these to stream and record my PC without it affecting my performance in games. Is that possible? without needing a 2nd computer?
    Right now streaming with NVENC OBs on FFXIV on ultra is a nightmare and It's one of my most played games that I just can't stream due to a horrible frame rate

  15. I have one small problem, im gonna buy a capture card to stream Gran turismo from PS4 pro, the problem is that i have 16:10 monitor without scaling (damn you dell) so can i use some kind of "preview" from capture card while sending uncompressed image to obs for stream and if they do have this how much latency are we talking here? or do i reeeealy need 16:9 monitor?

  16. Epos, you mentioned something about OBS crashing due to too much capture footage, can you provide more info about that? We will need to capture 2 devices at the same time and figured we can try using elgato and avermedia together to avoid software issues. Is OBS crashing cause of multiple footages or was it simply due to capture of same game? Thank you for answer ^^

  17. im just trying to play my xbox on my computer so i can use my wireless headset that's made for pc. im wondering if there is zero lag between the actual console and whats being displayed on my computer monitor. that way i can just play it on my pc with audio… which on would work best for that?

  18. Of course you can capture both audio inputs even if the software doesn't include a feature for it. Just use the windows feature for it. Haven't finished your video yet, just thought I would mention it, it's a small mistake, but it shouldn't deter anyone from buying the LGHD2.

  19. avermedia lg hd2 claims that (Live Gamer HD2 is not compatible with X99 (ASUS, MSI, ASROCK) motherboards)
    i own a gigabyte x99 board, would it be a problem?

  20. Hello, can you please help me? 🙁 I have this card but I don't have any audio on my recordings or at all for that matter 🙁

  21. Hi there are some benefits of capture cards rather than just using OBS and even graphics cards in addition to losing max FPS
    fore live streaming ?

  22. I know the Avermedia is plug in play multi-capture card set up. Is the Elgato one as well? It could possibly be a buying decision one over the other. I imagine if you do much live streaming that you would desire to have a separate camera feed from the game feed at some point.

  23. I just sold my Avermedia LGX and my streaming rig and decided to get an internal PCIe card for my main Gaming PC. Thank you for this video, seems like both works good, ill just get whatever I can find the cheapest.

  24. Hey Guys, I know I am late to the party, but looking at trying to get a capture card. What is the difference in latency between internal and external capture cards. I dont anticipate being a hotshot streamer, so I think I dont need anything to crazy. i just dont want a crazy latency.

  25. Well I have one question that I think it's very important and if i'm not wrong , you did not covered in this video . Do Avermadia includes an integrated H.264 chip ? i'm sure that the Elgato HD60 pro have it , but what about Avermedia ?

  26. I've had Elgato for 3 years, Terrible experience. Today I bought the Avermedia LGP2. Best decision I've made, I can't believe what I've been missing. I don't even want to hear the word Elgato ever again.

  27. Elgato made me think my PC was weak and incapable of handling game capturing. But no, my PC is OK it's the Elgato which was the problem all this time. The Avermedia LGP2 works like magic, pain free experience.

  28. I’m thinking to get one to connect my ps4 on pc and I want it just to playing I don’t care about recording. If you know adapter that I can just watch what I plug pleeeeeeease tell me

  29. I had the AVerMedia HD 2 and had issues for weeks getting it set up. After multiple Windows installations, driver updates and roolbacks, RECenter updates and betas and rollbacks I ended up contacting customer support. They told me that their card wasn't compatible with x99 motherboards (the one I was using with my i7 5820k) and that it just wouldn't work. WTF – the x99 is like the Honda Civic of motherboards! Come on! Not listed anywhere on their amazon product page or website, just casually sent in an email in response to my support ticket. Their Live Gamer HD 2 didn't make me feel very LIVE!

  30. Does this card also do yuy2 and rgb capture like avermedia's 4k60 card? – that would make it instantly better than the elgato nv12 competitor imho – but i'm skeptical due to the pci express width…

  31. Hey EposVox! I'm having lots of problems using my capture cards. I have one Live Game Extreme (GC550) and two ExtremeCap U3 (CV710), all AVerMedia USB 3.0 cards.
    I have a FZ1000 camera, a seperate gaming rig and a console running… or at least I intend to…

    Anyway, they tend to stall the computer almost to a halt, but while using way too little CPU / GPU / RAM to indicate any real problem there.
    The issue is I'm running out of USB 3.0 bandwidth on my motherboard from what I can tell. I'm left without sufficient resources, not to process the ammount of data, but rather the ability to reliably recieve it without clogging the USB controller. From the looks of it, it's a trafic jam. My UR44 audio interface doesn't like the situation either.

    Would you recomend I'd buy a good PCIe -> USB 3.0 controller card (or two, rather), for about 50-60$ a piece, or do I need to burn a permanent hole in my wallet, tossing about 3×200$ at these kind of cards?

    Thanks for the video, Cheers!

  32. I have an original live gamer hd and an extreme cap u3. Both have serious issues with reds, especially red text. Two different machines streaming machines, three different gaming rigs and it’s always there. Has this been fixed?

  33. Is it possible to use twich with the external HD II ?
    I wonder if I can from a scart,s video or at/composite.
    Nice video

  34. @EposVox important to mention linux compatibility and performance I'm using a ryzen 2700x for streaming and it works super smooth in linux compare to windows using NDI please take a to linux for cards compatible with linux.

  35. Hi! I hope you can help me with this. I need to be able to send the game audio feed into a mixer, I'm not sure how the Avermedia analog audio works, but can I get a clean audio feed of the game into the mixer with that feature?

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