100 thoughts on “How SSD Technology Keeps Getting WORSE! – Intel 660p Review

  1. The 1tb and 2tb versions of this SSD are the best value mass storage (if you take into account speed, storage and price) at the moment. I snatched a 2tb from Amazon for a cool 190€ and i'm super happy with it.
    I'm basically using it as an archive: the OS, CAD and the few other programs i use are all on the my 860 pro (amazing drive btw) and the 660p serves as temporary storage for finished projects i already backed up, movies, games and all sorts of random stuff i'm not going to upload to a cloud and won't mind losing (unlikely, this is still an SSD, failure rates are very low despite what Linus says).
    If you need bulk storage and don't want to spend much, but still want a fast and hassle free drive, definetely buy this.

  2. The problem is, some laptops model in 2019 comes with Intel 660p SSD as boot drive (and the only drive)🤔

  3. I just just bought this 1TB. It’s been on sale via Newegg ($84?) and on Amazon for a few months now. 🙈 haven’t installed it yet.

  4. Lol I saw this video pop up in my recommended just after getting a 760p (256GB) and I'm enjoying it a lot. Glad its TLC instead of QLC. It was amazing to find an NVMe for almost the same price of a cheap SATA SSD. Paired it with a relatively young Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200rpm I had laying around. Coming from never having an SSD before, it seems to boost the HDDs performance since it isn't competing with OS' I/O when loading a game or something.

  5. Well, you want cheap high capacity ssds.
    That's how that works.

    Single cell terabyte ssds would otherwise be unaffordable and we'd prolly go back towards 3.5 inch drives eventually

  6. I have 660p 1TB and it rocks!!!!! I have only in the beginning when it was empty noticed speed drops (moving like 700GB from other the disk). Now it rocks as a gaming disk!

  7. This is nice but like I still would rather just get 2 of them 2tb Intel ssds and put them in raid cuz Samsung ssds are really expensive

  8. I like it how in the hard drive platter animation, there is the same amount of bits per angular degree. So basically at the same angular velocity, the amount of data read by the head at any given position is the same :))

  9. on desktop TLC for system , QLC for games, but on laptop/console i will put TLC all the time 30€ delta on the 1To

  10. I just bought an Intel 660p M.2 2280 2TB NVMe PCIe 3.0 x4 3D NAND Internal Solid State Drive to install on my computer. Should I return it for a Samsung 960 Pro?

  11. I usually like Linus but he missed the mark here: these drives are NOT meant to replace traditional NVME storage for editing and working on large files. Rather, they are designed to replace traditional SATA drives for things like boot drives and game storage. In other words, these drives are not designed for 90% of the use cases he brought up. Seriously at the time of this comment Intel's 660p drives are actually cheaper than most 2.5 inch SATA drives, which is kinda ridiculous.

  12. I would love to go SSD, but the write cycles thing (electron buildup) is what keeps me from it. How long do SSDs last for day to day use? Am i paranoid for no reason?

  13. Basically, I look at it like this: If you have a computer with 16GB's of memory or more AND turn off the page file in Windows (which I do on any computer with SSD's of any form in it)? You will be fine with QLC in most cases because it still has 100TB+ write to the drive before you see issues.

  14. I have worked for a Computer Manufacturer for over 23 years and I have to say Intel Quality on SSD Drive are not as good as you would think. Samsung has had a lot less failure rate. And the Intel SSD Drives are slower..

  15. It's not bad. Imagine a 4TB SSD with even more voltage levels per cell will be the ideal and also cheapest Steam drive in just a handful of years, leaving HDDs barely any room to exist in.

  16. If it wasn't for Linus I would've bought this, I went went the HP EX920 M.2 1TB PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe 3D TLC NAND Internal Solid State Drive

  17. Linus (et al), if Nvme pcie M.2 drives can read/write 5-6x as fast as SATA SSDs, why are real-world load times only slightly faster than Sata SSD times?

  18. That's too bad for the SSD's technology : controlers have made some huge evolution, NVMe is great for high performance SSD but the NAND chip is getting worse and worse over the time. It looks like the price has become somewhat the only thing that matters. I only hope that they still care about stability, reliability, endurance and performance. So nowadays ssd great performance is only due to its SLC caching mostly. Manufacturers should have the honesty to mark every model with the kind of flash memory that it has. So that the consumer is aware of what he's buying. I've seen some 240GB SSD with only 40TBW endurance. It might be enough for consumers but it's a little bit scaring on the long run.
    Fortunately my 7 years old SanDisk Extreme 240 is still working fine so far. I'll always keep it as long as it works. I love MLC cells 😂

  19. What exactly is the target for a product like this? I'm looking for a cheap NVME SSD to store my O.S. and some games

  20. I had heard they were going to be used mainly for SSD archive – like Netflix servers. Write once read forever.

  21. So is this drive better as the boot disk with your Windows and most used programs, or work drive for keeping your games and movies on?
    First one would probably have loads of free space for page files because apparently smallest 660p is 512Gb, for the second you'd spring for the 1 or 2 TB model. Either way it would be very cheap compared to other models, question is which drive would be having failures first?

  22. Samsung is the best. They always have been. Intel is a scammer. Sandisk does not hire Americans in their Silicon Valley office – only hb1 visa workers.

  23. So what's the point in having a 500gb or 1tb drive, if you Cant fill it up with games whilst maintaining decent speed. Also what would you reccomend instead of the 660p? Are there any decent performing drives both in storage capacity and speed retention?

  24. I'm using a 1tb 660p just for the sake of no cables. I'm on a Z97 which only has a pcie 2.0 x2 for nvme, which translates to about 800 mb/sec speeds. It's faster than a ssd, but not so much that i notice. It's just easier and cheaper than my old 2x256gb ssd 🙂

  25. Linus: 660p is crap.
    Tech deals: go for 660p, it's cheap and you will not observe any real life performed difference.

  26. get the fuck out here fanboy i can see u didnt talk about the Samsung QVO SSDs that sucks even more balls

  27. An SSD such as this would only ever be used as an storage SSD by me, since only a few of my games actually make effective use of even my SATA SSD (the 3GB/sec read and 2GB/sec write on my boot SSD is useless)

  28. It's insane value for anyone who does casual computing. Anyone who does sequential transfers more than 16gb then this is not for them.

  29. One other thing to remember is that Samsung use ram for caching (lddr4
    Intel 660p does not ! What this mean ? As any ram if your computer turn off you can loose data
    So for cache ? It can create gremlin issue ! With the 660p ? Not a chance since intel is using the nvme it self
    And it’s intended to keep data even if turned off ! This sound stupid ? But I can tell you , for the os ? I would prefer the intel 660p

  30. I just built a pc with a 1tb nvme ssd as only storage. Should I get a second drive and keep the ssd below a certain % to keep speeds good?

  31. So I can't use it as caching for a game drive? Well can I at least use it as my primary Windows partition so that my Laptop can finally get more than just 128 GB of storage? Maybe even space for a second OS? Or would that also be a bad idea?

  32. Thought I'd add a relevant opinion. I've had a 660p now since launch as a secondary drive. It has gone well and I have had less issues with it than my other drives. It is now a few years old and is regularly around half full. Performance figures as of yesterday follow:
    Sequential Read (Q= 32,T= 1) : 550.710 MB/s

    Sequential Write (Q= 32,T= 1) : 525.447 MB/s

    Random Read 4KiB (Q= 8,T= 8) : 401.053 MB/s [ 97913.3 IOPS]

    Random Write 4KiB (Q= 8,T= 8) : 327.369 MB/s [ 79924.1 IOPS]

    Random Read 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) : 283.622 MB/s [ 69243.7 IOPS]

    Random Write 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) : 262.194 MB/s [ 64012.2 IOPS]

    Random Read 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) : 39.230 MB/s [ 9577.6 IOPS]

    Random Write 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) : 105.567 MB/s [ 25773.2 IOPS]
    Seems to be beating my Samsung 850 currently by a hair.

  33. M.2 ssd are suppose to be 2000mbs a second if I'm gonna get a m.2 why would I pay more for the same speed as a 2.5" sata ssd?

  34. I have a 256GB ssdpekkw25 (I'm a bit confused as the box it came in is for a 760p, it reports as a 660p in some programs but the model number is for a 600p. I picked it up at microcenter a year ago sealed in box. by the data it reports like what I'd expect from a 760p under load but it is very strange it reports as prior models none the less.
    I just ran AB SSD Benchmark andy my drive reported:
    Sequential Read: 2618.50MB/s
    Sequential Write: 1262.68MB/s

    I ran it against my 2TB MB2000EBZQC HDD which reported:
    Sequential Read: 134.81MB/s

    Sequential Write: 132.23MB/s

    I ran the benchmark with many background processes open save that I paused my virus protection and shut down som fluff programs that control some of my RGB components like Corsair iCue, Logitech gaming software and the nvidia tray icon. I tested some of my other drives but they actually did worse than the 2TB drive (probably due to being larger capacity).

    Also, the drive you are showing in this video looks nothing like the 660p I have or even the one advertised on newegg (which looks exactly like the one I have).

  35. Literally 0.1% of users do full drive write. Also, how many time any of us are moving around their 250Gb+ Steam folder? Once in their life? The fact is, the 660p is the perfect balance of performance and cost for the 99.9% of us. It reached the "good enough" level of performance with enormous 2TB capacity at a ridiculously low price. The fact is a regular user/gamer will NEVER see the difference between 660p and an SSD 2 time the price with half the capacity. The only metric that truly matter is 4k 1T 1Q and with that profile, all SDD are practically equal in performance.

  36. Great video! Thank you Linus! I have a question:

    I have a Intel 660p 1TB and a Samsung 970 Evo 1TB
    Which one should I use for my OS and which one for 4k video editing?

    Can I use the Intel 660p 1TB
    to put my 4k Media and Projects and edit 4k with Premiere Pro ?

  37. My samsung 970 evo plus m.2 SSD is fast enough to tax my ryzen 7 2700x CPU to 100 percent usage when doing a virus scan. I would need a threadripper if I get a 500 dollar 1TB 3D SLC NVME SSD with 3d stacked nand dies on each chip to get most out of it. TLC is bad enough for me in terms of SSD technology. I want my SSD to have so much endurance that the thermal cycling will kill it well before the rewrite cycles do so.

  38. I can agree on all parts of the movie. I specificly bought this for my laptop to replace the slow 2TB HDD in it. The intent was to store data ("data grave") and games only. All other stuff like programs or the OS are on a Samsung Pro SSD. There is pretty much only a read-action on it and its soooo much faster than before on the HDD. I will eventually do the same step on my desktop, but only for games (2 TB QLC SSD) and buy a (smaller ~4TB) HDD instead of the current 6 TB monster HDD.

  39. Wew
    I wish youtube had made me watch this sooner
    Alas I now know a bit more about how to treat this little misfit of a SSD a good life.
    I'll make my priority to upgrade it to more reliable one.

  40. Hey Linus I have the 660p 512 and I installed windows 10 on it. It was horrible the os froze at times I thought it was the processor or the pci express m2 adapter but I just might believe it’s the ssd. Should have gotten the Samsung dvi.

  41. ok, seen the full vid through and understand what you are saying about it's use for very large file transfers. I'll never use files that big, so I got one on order. 500gb for £59 is a steal. Great vid, answered any doubts I would have had. Thanks.

  42. My Samsung Evo 850 has 3 years and I didn't even hit the 100 TBs. And it's life expectancy it's of 150 TBW. Let's be honest, the 660p it's an optimal choice for most who don't write 100GBs per day.

  43. The digital zoom in at the beginning is unnecessary and distracting. But the content is too good and saves the day.

  44. So unless you're going to do over 100GB transfers in one shot on a frequent basis, there is no reason to spend extra money on a more expensive NVME ssd pretty much. $100 for a 1TB 660p is pretty freaking awesome.

  45. How about a small nvme drive just for booting the os, and then SSD for the storage? Since it seems nvme drops to SSD speeds after some time on bigger file transfer? From 1600+ mb/s to 550 mb/s or so.

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